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They Shoot Horses, Don’t They? (1969)
IMDB rating: 7.80
Plot: Gloria (Jane Fonda) is a young woman of the Depression. She has aged beyond her years and feels her life is hopeless, having been cheated and betrayed many times in her past. Fantasizing about movies, she sees herself as an actress and decides to head for Hollywood, having got the idea from a movie magazine while recuperating in the hospital from a suicide attempt which resulted from another unhappy love affair. Robert (Michael Sarrazin), a desperate Hollywood citizen unsuccessfully trying to become a director, never doubting that he’ll eventually make it. Robert and Gloria meet and decide to enter a dance marathon, one of the crazes of the thirties. The grueling dancing takes its toll on Gloria’s already weakened spirit, and she tells Robert that she’d be better off dead, that her life is hopeless – all the while acting cruel and bitter, alienating those around her, trying to convince him to shoot her and put her out of her misery. After all, they shoot horses, don’t they?
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I need hep with my reining horse?!!?
I purchased a 4year old reining horse a couple months ago and he is very good, he slides,spins,changes leades, and everything. But I have a problem. When I go on the quarter line and ask him to build his speed to go into a slide he shoots out like a bullet. He literally jumps in the air and goes as fast as he can, and can’t get him to gradually build instead of shooting out from me. I have tried keeping contact on his mouth so he doesn’t shoot out but he ignores the bit. Any suggestions?? He just gets so excited to slide. And I have practiced building then sowing on the quarter line but that hasn’t helped the launching into the air into a gallop that he does. His fast to slow circles are perfect, and he listens to sowing down then.
And when I spin him slow he won’t keep his pivot foot planted unless I ask him to increase the speed, be he needs to first learn how to pivot right going slow.
Any suggestions?
I had the same problem with my horse when i used to do reining with him.
I changed disciplines before iw as able to completely fix it, but i did start to fix it.
What a did was just trot perimeters. I don’t know if you call it perimeters, but it’s just the path you would run when doing the slides and roll backs. I would trot it and make him stop at a trot, and than as soon as he would be trotting it nice and calm, i’d let him lope. But i didn’t stop him every time i’d get to a the area where you stop. I’d just keep loping on the perimeter around the arena. Once he was calm, then i’d let him stop. But if he wouldn’t calm down, i’d make him keep going. Reining horses are good at stopping and they like stopping, so use that as your release and your praise. Keep him in a relaxed lope, not fast but not slow. When he’s calm, stop. Then, after a few days of this, he’ll get the idea and you can start to ask him to gradually gain speed, but when you get to the end of the arena, don’t stop him, just ask him to slow down and keep running the perimeter. As he gets comfortable and calm, you can start stopping him.
Don’t work on this a lot, and when you do work on it, make sure you do circles (large and small) first so that he gets really warmed up– physically and mentally.
Also, when he goes too fast and you need to slow him down, do it gradually. Be slow and quiet. Just put a steady pressure on his mouth, not a lot but enough that he’ll get annoyed. Keep the pressure on his mouth andwait for a response, as soon as he slows, give him a complete release. Stay released for a few strides and then pick up the pressure again to slow him down even more. Eventually he’ll start to repsond to the slightest pressure and will understand where youw ant his speed to be.
Sorry if this doesn’t work out for you, this is just what i would do. But if it doesn’t work, then i’d contact a trainer and ask their advice.
Good luck!
Peanut Palomino | Jan 31, 2010
There are three types of spins
1)cutter; outside pivot foot, inside foot steps backward
2)cowhorse; no pivot foot, outside foot steps forward, inside foot steps back.
3)reiner; inside pivot foot, outside foot steps forward
The reiner spin is a forward motion spin compared the the cutter which is backward motion and cowhorse is neutral. So to help with his ‘reiner’ pivot foot, walk him forward in a circle, spiral down until he starts to spin, don’t let him take any step back,. when you feel him hold that inside foot walk him forward without letting him swing his hip out. As he gets better, start adding more steps to your turn until you have a spin .And yes you are right, starting slow is better. This exercise when mastered at the walk can be done at the walk and lope.
I am unclear if he is "shooting out" when you begin your run down or right before your slide. Both are common problems that develop with reiners and cowhorses Here are some tips;
1) if he shoots out at the beginning, get him stopped immediately how ever you can, BACK him all the way up to where you started, let him stand till he relaxes, then try your run down again. Do this as many times as it takes, when he does get it right, get off and put him up, he is done for the day.
2) if he is shooting out right before you slide, don’t slide him ,just go around the end of the arena, get him slowed, come around the other end where you started, without stopping and try your rundown again, if he is right, then slide if not just go around again.
3) do not slide every time you do a rundown, sometimes act like you are going to; gradually build your speed up but instead of sliding, bring the speed back down and lope around the end of the arena.
4) do not ever start you rundown until your horse is relaxed and standing quietly.
EDIT
Bunny,
for not being a pro reiner, that was a good answer. Just goes to show; good horsemanship is good horsemanship no matter the disipline ( i gave you a thumbs up)
sparrow | Jan 31, 2010
Not a pro or a reiner, but thought I’d give a shot at answering this.
Normally when a horse speeds up without being asked, I would say to stop him, but in this case I don’t think that would work! (LMAO!) I’m guessing that the person who taught him to slide, did it roughly. Like used a whip or spurs harshly when he didn’t pick up enough speed. Whenever I am aggressive in teaching my horse something, she in turn is aggressive in doing it. (Thus I have learned to not try to teach my horse something by causing a quick reaction if I do not want that same reaction every time.) So… try this:
Go for your slide at the quarter line or w/e.
As soon as he shoots off, pull his head to the side and turn him around. This needs to be a quick correction. Walk him back to where you started, then ask again.
Do this again and again, and he will eventually figure "I might as well start out slow, because I’m not sure if she’s gonna whip me around like that again or not."
And while you’re doing all of this, remember to stay calm and relax and encourage your horse to do the same.
When he finally does do what you asked of him, stop right there, hop off and lead him around the arena to cool off if you need to, then give him some TLC however you do it and put him up. I have found that this doesn’t do much to re-enforce the good behavior, but it prevents you from getting excited and repeating this over and over again- the extra work will look more like a punishment to your horse, and he will be less happy about working with you the next day.
As with the spins… Why does it matter? (Respectfully.) I don’t know much about reining (although I LOVE it and want to get into it after college), but don’t reiners ALWAYS spin fast? So I’m thinking that you’re kind of asking him for a haunch turn… which he doesn’t know how to do, because he was probably taught to spin and that’s it. So when you ask him to spin (fast), he spins. But when you ask him for a haunch turn, he has no idea what you want.
BUNNY[forever] | Jan 31, 2010
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